Recipe Levels are missing on census?

I keep missing that there are new posts here. I have added a "Watch Forum" so I should get an e-mail and notification every time there is a new post.

 

Ok here's your post from the official forums:

My understanding is Recipes don't have a level. The Recipe Book is what has the levels and classes on it. If I look at the Recipe Book you linked, I see this data:

Code:

<alchemist displayname="Alchemist" id="9" level="1"/>
<provisioner displayname="Provisioner" id="1" level="1"/>
<sage displayname="Sage" id="8" level="1"/>
<carpenter displayname="Carpenter" id="3" level="1"/>
<jeweler displayname="Jeweler" id="7" level="1"/>
<tailor displayname="Tailor" id="6" level="1"/>
<weaponsmith displayname="Weaponsmith" id="5" level="1"/>
<woodworker displayname="Woodworker" id="2" level="1"/>
<armorer displayname="Armorer" id="4" level="1"/>

So we know that until Tradeskill level 10, you are an Artisan.
And until Tradeskill level 20, you are either a Craftsman, Outfitter, or Scholar.

But if I search Census for Recipe Books that require Artisan, Craftsman, Outfitter, or Scholar, I get 0 results:
http://census.daybreakgames.com/s:e...?typeinfo.classes.artisan.displayname=Artisan
http://census.daybreakgames.com/s:e...einfo.classes.outfitter.displayname=Outfitter
http://census.daybreakgames.com/s:e...einfo.classes.craftsman.displayname=Craftsman
http://census.daybreakgames.com/s:e...?typeinfo.classes.scholar.displayname=Scholar

If I do a c:distinct on typeinfo.classes, I get 9 tradeskill classes and 26 adventure classes. I do not get Artisan, Outfitter, Craftsman, or Scholar.

I have no proof, but this suggests to me that from level 1-9, you are secretly a Provisioner, and from level 10-19, you are secretly a Provisioner, Sage, or Weaponsmith, but the game displays it as "Artisan", "Craftsman", "Outfitter", or "Scholar". Just a hunch with no way to verify.

@Endymion do you remember how this works?

 

Well that's confusing!



I don't see anywhere in the Census data that you are able to find out that the level of this recipe is 30.

 

And the sad thing is, I never caught this in the tens of thousands of recipes I imported from Census. I just used the recipe book level. My recipe importer is the most convoluted thing ever. Of course I wrote it before I knew we could do c:join.

 

I have a script that tries to find example itemids of recipe ingredients and then marry them to the recipe components table. It doesn't always succeed. The problem of course is that EQ2 will accept either an itemid or a items with a matching classification as recipe components.

On ZAM, you would get a list of valid components. EQ2U shortcuts this and displays a "recommended" or best ingredient for each component. This really only affects old recipes that will take "liquid" or "malachite" each of which can match multiple components. Where we run into limitations is the old Drunder recipes which will take ANY piece of armor of a specific class. We have no way to recognize multiple itemids for 1 component.

Every approach to displaying complex information has its drawbacks.

We had an amazing system setup for Loot and had invested months of coding and several days working with the Code side and then the rug got pulled at the last second by the Design team. They said they were afraid of misunderstandings. I think exposing the data would have actually reduced them. And it would help us find and report bugs. ZAM showed flat percentages which was unintentionally misleading. We were going to do full breakdowns.

 

"492 unknown/missing recipes which have been reported on characters, yet do not exist in the EQ2U Recipe database"



Do I wait til the expansion or...

 

All the old subcombine recipes are still there. I have a blocklist of over 800 recipes that I do not import. That's probably the majority of what you are finding.