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Future of EQII

Discussion in 'EverQuest II General Discussion' started by felix, Jan 26, 2018.

  1. Fuli

    Fuli Active Member

    Well, no stream is going to be the same visual experience as playing it. And if eso can do a better than average job of it, well, that's well done for them.

    In any case, we can ask:

    1. Why do no prominent streamers stream it? Quality? Consumer interest? Developer relationships?

    2. Why does does eq2 not pursue the same strategy? Why don't they actively engage streamers to promote their game?

    TLDR:

    What would have to be true for eq2 to be able to profitably employ the same strategy?

    EDIT: In economics, what ESO is doing is called a "signalling strategy". They are saying, don' take our word for it, listen to other players, and evaluate both the good and bad. That takes confidence and a willingness to be transparent, which creates credibility and trust.

    People and organizations are always signaling information, both good and bad.

    Eq2 would never employ this strategy, not because the game is visually unattractive, but because they can't offer the same transparency and generate sales.
     
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  2. Endymion

    Endymion Member

    I don't disagree with your general point re: transparency, there's just a lot of reasons why doing the streamer thing doesn't really make sense for EQ2.
     
  3. Fuli

    Fuli Active Member

    Oh yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you on that. Eq2 should be a case study on how to have talented developers, create something cool, and then management fail it.
     
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  4. Mizgamer62

    Mizgamer62 Active Member

    Except that I think the developers are an equal part of the problem. They have been receiving feedback over the last 2 expansions prior to POP in which people were complaining about p2w, endless grinds, class imbalance, etc. and ignored it. In POP they seemed to continue with the same basic elements that people didn't like before and totally ignored class balance which they promised to fix. I would like to blame all of the problems on some nerdy account on the 3rd floor, an evil overlord manager or a greedy share holder, but I think the blame can be spread equally among all. Don't forget the screen shots of inappropriate developer comments.
     
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  5. Dizzy

    Dizzy Active Member

    DB could choose to pay a streamer or streamers to push EQ2 if they wanted to but again that is marketing which they don't believe in.
     
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  6. Sweatypie

    Sweatypie Member

    EQ2 is one of the worst MMOs to stream. The content drought have been on going for many years. People who watch MMO streamers wants to watch hard PvP or engaging PvE content.

    EQ2 has no PvP. EQ2 has very easy heroic content. EQ2 raiding is not hard, 8 out of 10 encounters are spank 'n tank and the other one has walk X yards to avoid X or some obscure panic script if the raid group is too good. The last case is when 9 out of 10 guilds remaining in the game has no chance of killing it..

    Ill also like to comment and say that I think the average EQ2 player in 2018 hardly or extremely rarely watch someone stream. I dont think they are the target audience at all.

    People will only watch Bob solo quest or decorate his house so many hours before moving on to a newer and better MMO stream.

    The developing team either lack the knowledge, the budget or the passion to change the game and are just clinging onto their seats because its a steady income. They also refuse to listen to any form of criticism which has hurt the game severely over the last half decade. Why would anyone want to support such a game other than the fact that they had already invest an entire decade to it?
     
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  7. Ruckus

    Ruckus New Member

    CohhCarnage used to play EQ1 last year, and even got a raiding guild started up. People actually sat there and watched him mindlessly grind XP to level.
     
  8. Charlice

    Charlice Active Member

    Feldon, this post made my blood boil. He even looks like an arrogant pig.

    None of them play it, let's be real here. I bet not one of them has played it for years.
     
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  9. Errrorr

    Errrorr Active Member

    My suspicion is the following actually play EQ2;

    Gninja (Raiding)
    Jamiss (casually)
    Ttobey (casually)

    I don't think any of the others are actively playing this game any more.
     
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  10. Fuli

    Fuli Active Member

    To clarify, when I use the term "management", I am referring to anyone who has the authority to make strategic decisions about acquisition, allocation, and disposition of company resources. This is why, with respect to eq2 or DBG in general, I often speak to the "management culture".

    Ultimately, as things sit today, things can and should be traced back to Holly, and prior to that, the other executive producers.

    The behavior of Caith, Kander, or Lauren, or anyone else is Holly's responsibility vis a vis what ever chain of command has been extablished - that is on her.

    Obviously, the reason a strategy of promoting with streamers won't work today is because no one is interested in streaming it. And that's because:

    1. It's a bad, boring game with very little to do, so the streamers don't want to play it.

    2. It's a bad, boring, and expensive game, so consumers don't want to buy it.

    That being said, a strategy like this is certainly no going to be embraced by the team today because they know the product is mostly bad. They need to rely on deception and manipulation to generate sales. Transparency and third party promotion simply will not work.

    In addition, the management culture of this company has rightfully landed it into the marketing space it occupies today. They are great at coming up with cool ideas and building cool games, and terrible at running a business. And mostly, I believe, the issue rests with my impression that they (with some notable exceptions) have not, and currently do not, respect/value their customers.
     
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  11. Endymion

    Endymion Member

    True, but EQ1 is a special nostalgia beast.
    Yep. Since I don't actively play anymore, I sometimes look up YouTube videos of raid encounters to see what I've been missing and it always looks boring as **** in terms of presentation. Sometimes there are interesting mechanics happening behind the scenes, but from a viewer's perspective you're just watching someone play the UI (complete with 10+ hot bars) and ACT essentially.
     
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  12. Fuli

    Fuli Active Member

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  13. Inire

    Inire Not really an evil duck, just misunderstood.

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. Tekka

    Tekka Active Member


    She's also busily locking and editing threads!
     
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  15. Fuli

    Fuli Active Member

    Funny how she was busily liking all the posts speaking to misinformation about the game....until people started blowing up misinformation being spread by Fyrelyte and the bubble gnomes, then she locked it.
     
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  16. Uxtalzon

    Uxtalzon New Member

    "Curious where EQ2 is going."

    "Thread locked."

    Pure irony.
     
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  17. Tekka

    Tekka Active Member


    I almost never report, but I did on the rather hostile/misinformation post that Fyreflyte liked, just so I could point out it is exceptionally unprofessional for any member of The Team, but especially a DEV to slap likes on posts that are not only spreading misinformation and are fairly hostile, but also break their forum rules.

    That's just... bad.
     
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