What happened to intellectual honesty?

I have no problem with how lootboxes were originally used, in games like Overwatch. However the way some games are becoming casinos is disgusting - especially when they're games blatantly made for children. If the industry isn't going to sort itself out then unfortunately governments around the world are going to have to pick up the slack.

And yes I know I did the "think of the kids" thing but even leaving kids out of the equation it's still gross. It still needs fixed.

 

LOTRO has them, but thanks to their lovely filter, I never ever ever get one!

 

I loath them. Everything about them stinks of predatory business practices. However, I'd be fine with keeping them around AS LONG has the odds are published, because if you give people information to make an informed decision, and they do dumb stuff anyway, well adults and all that.

As far as children are concerned, as long as there are account safeguards to prevent them from accessing the credit card on the account, shouldn't be a problem.

 

I think ESO is a good game except for how they run their cash shop and coercive loot crate system.

I think SWTOR might be one of the best replacement games for EQ2 except for the constant pushing of packs.

I very much enjoy GW2, which also has loot boxes, but GW2 hasn't pretended to not be a b2p/f2p game with those mechanics from the start.

All three of those games are good enough for me to overlook the abusive lottery mechanics for a while.

EQ2 is not.

 

I've been spending a LOT of time lately in SWTOR, trying to play out all the story lines, on all characters. (and yes, as usual, I sub, so I get my cartel points every month). But the market items are not better than anything I can loot in the game, just pure fluff. As far as 'Loot Boxes', maybe I don't know what you mean, I can open ANY box that I receive in my inventory with a click, no keys, no buying unlocks... maybe that is a Sub thing?

 

The Cartel Packs are not mechanics effecting, but they do pressure through people's vanity and the completionist in people.

 

Meh, I buy some once in a while, mostly I try to complete my emotes and mounts collections. Right now, I'm sitting on something like 21,000 cartel credits. Sometimes I buy things to sell on the GTN for extra credits, but really, don't know what for. I have max leveled crafters in every profession, thousands of craft materials in the shared bank, two guild flagships (Rep and Imp), and 7 houses lol. Still have a lot of cash left , but I've played for a long time, just getting serious since I left EQ/EQ2, well, DayBroke.

On StarForge, if you ever need anything.

 

Can you show me specific examples of broad regulation on loot boxes?

 

GOP, Dem Senators officially introduce loot box, “pay-to-win” legislation

 

Introduced legislation is different than passed legislation (actual law). In the United States (state or federal), it would need to pass both houses and be signed by the executive (governor or president).

Additionally, a legislative body can pass a non-binding resolution with absolutely no teeth (enforcement power) or a law that delegates power to an executive body.

 

Those were the first google hits. Belgium forced EA to suspend selling LB's in game. Again, you prove, you only accept your point of view.
Good Bye.

 

No. I am outlining the legislative process. Feldon made the point that some governments "have passed legislation to require...". If he can't provide specific examples of passed legislation (not a resolution but actual law), his points are dishonest and/or moot.

Feldon uses the broad phrase "lawmakers in the United States, Europe, etc...do not share [my] philosophy." It would be more proper to say "some lawmakers" (perhaps a handful of senators out of 100, or a dozen representatives out of 435). The actual passage of a law would signify the belief in the legislative majority and/or the people.

 

I did. Belgium banned them, the Eu is soon to follow, as they are "Unregulated gambling, preying on people".
Again, Good bye Benito.

ETA: funny you have so much time to spam here, aren't you fully involved in spending every waking moment ADORING EQ2?

 

If you actually read the Belgium article, it was a determination by the Belgian Gambling Commission (executive agency) and not legislation. The same goes for the Netherlands Gaming Authority. These bodies are regulators (with broad authority, usually unanswerable to the populace) and not lawmakers. Big difference.

 

Regulatory decisions do not hold the same weight as law. (A decision by the executive, an act of Congress, or new regulatory decisions can override previously set regulation. Worst of all, these regulations are not crafted by the people's representatives). Pure and simple. I know you'd probably love a nanny state of administrative law though.

Republicans are proposing regulatory legislation so you can't blame McConnell or the GOP.

Let me qualify the term from "dishonest" to "intellectually dishonest."

Edit: At this point, I'd bet you or your confederates would love to kick me off the boards as much as Roshen, Roxxlyy, or past mods applied to "dissenters" in the OF. Welcome to bubble world.

 

No, you have as much right to present your weasel points as Feldon or Fuli do to present their better reasoned arguments, or I do to amuse myself by spotlighting certain aspects of your Bubble Gnome philosophy.

Also, letting you speak is one of the most effective ways to refute your arguments.

 

Benny, no one wants to kick you off our boards here. But if after awhile, no one responds to you, means you are on board wide ignore. After all, if you ignore trolls, they die of starvation after awhile.