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Its the money

Discussion in 'EverQuest II General Discussion' started by Julesholland, Dec 5, 2018 at 5:20 AM.

  1. Julesholland

    Julesholland New Member

    I put this on the official forum but don't expect it to hang around so put it here to for peoples opinon…

    When I started playing EQ2 all the years ago it 'only' cost me a monthly sub an annual payment and time to play EQ2 to a high standard. As I progressed up the levels of raiding to joining a fairly high level raiding guild the time commitment went up but the money commitment did not change

    Slowly, over time the amount requested of me in hard money changed, not in a sensible way (imo) by increasing subs, instead with the introduction of micro transactions a cash generation scheme was launched.

    So we get to today, if you wish to develop your character to a high standard you have to pay real money, it is not a real option otherwise. Yes you can play only paying the annual fee and the monthly sub but you will always be behind the others.

    Plat infusion, Familiar purchase and levelling, new mounts etc etc etc all make a financial demand on you.

    Now I hear the two shouts already.. (1) if you cannot afford it don't pay it, or the similar its my money I will spend it how I wish and (2) EQ2 have to make money somehow.

    To address (1) that is the shout of the addict, the gambler will always find money to gamble, that does not mean it is the best thing to do. and (2) yes Daybreak need to make money, for this we have an annual fee and subs, the subs should reflect the cost of running the game and the profits DBG need to make.

    Micro transactions are imo are the plaque of modern gaming as they can attack the most vulnerable, especially children or those with addiction issues but that is just my opinon

    The use of locked box gambling is even worse and DBG have been using that to a high degree, buy this and you 'might' get something useful, unlucky... here why not have another go... This should be driven out of all gaming but again that is my opinion

    Then of course there is the 500 free every month for members, to prime the pump.. get them spending, keep them spending....

    I realise this will probably be deleted from the forum, but I do honestly think that we as a gaming community need to discuss the money but again that is my opinion
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  2. Feldon

    Feldon Administrator Staff Member

    Why would you think this post would get deleted here?
  3. Julesholland

    Julesholland New Member

    Sorry lazy editing..... That was a cut and paste from official forums
  4. Feldon

    Feldon Administrator Staff Member

    Well I think it's totally spot on. They're not microtransactions anymore. $25 is not micro. They're macrotransactions. And because the introduction of player power through the marketplace happened so gradually, they've managed to avoid the shock of it.
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  5. Fuli

    Fuli Well-Known Member

    Just hopped over to the forums, and so I see DBG is now monetizing the Frostfell holiday event, and doing so at stupidly expensive prices.

    A new low :(
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  6. Meneltel

    Meneltel Active Member

    A fool and their money are soon parted.
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  7. Tekka

    Tekka Active Member

    I wanted to toss this out there - More than one country in the EU has declared loot boxes gambling (illegal). I think China has as well, or is in the process off it.

    A few states in the U.S. started reviewing the practice several months ago, and now the FTC is doing so as well. So that aspect, at least, might be addressed in the near future.

    Diligent consumers will just have to keep an eye out for the next rip-off scheme they try in its place.

    Unfortunately cash shops are here to stay, some games are more egregious than others, DBG being one of them. Ultimately it is up to the consumer to decide if they get the value for their dollar that they think they deserve. And believe me, no amount of trying to convince Bubble Gnomes(tm) that they deserve to be treated better will work.
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  8. Feldon

    Feldon Administrator Staff Member

    In Las Vegas, casinos are required to disclose the odds of winning.
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  9. Mermut

    Mermut Active Member

    Hiding the numbers does seem to be an EQ2 thing on soooooo many levels...
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  10. Fuli

    Fuli Well-Known Member

    So are State lotteries. Hell, even McDonalds discloses the odds of their Monopoly games, etc - with npr.

    These gambling box schemes are imo, super slimy.
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  11. Khendrask

    Khendrask Member

    Even more than that... From my younger days, when I worked on actual Vegas Slot machines, both mechanical and electronic, the payouts are programmed in before they ever hit the floor. For Vegas, the payout was generally set to between 93 and 97% (Yes, there are 'Hot' machines that payout more) No matter what the payout is though, the house Always Wins.
    Even the big progressives... by the time they hit, they have made twice as much or more than the payout. A single slot that hit's a jackpot is immediately removed from service, and tested to make sure it wasn't tampered with.
    Exactly the same for the video poker/blackjack machines. The payout is pre-determined, and overall, the house always wins. One lucky player hitting for a million means the house has collected 5 million.
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  12. Khendrask

    Khendrask Member

    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 6, 2018 at 1:37 PM
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  13. Julesholland

    Julesholland New Member

    wow took two days to delete my post on the Offical Forum.. and no email telling me off!!!!
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  14. Khendrask

    Khendrask Member

    Eh, I gave up playing EQ2 after the PoP TS disaster. I make random comments there, but mostly I just "Like" posts I agree with (I have Sigderfa on ignore).
    I've gotten warnings just for "Like'ing" too many unfavorable posts, but they haven't banned that account (my old MAIN account is banned from even looking at the forums)
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  15. Tekka

    Tekka Active Member

    Wait, you've gotten warnings for liking 'problematic posts'?

    Is it weird I hope mine were some of them? -shifty eyes-
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  16. Tekka

    Tekka Active Member

    So I skimmed the thread on the OF about the 12 Days of Open Your Wallet.

    Siren is so precious. She offers so much entertainment. Not so long ago, she stood on her pedestal and pontificated about how fantastic the IoR server would be/was because all of the 'good' players could go there and get away from the filthy scrub free to play folks.

    And now the chocolate coin thing isn't so bad, because it'll let her transfer her two oldest 'mains' (that she can't play now because the server is dead) off of IoR.

    Hoist on her on petard.

    I love it when that happens.
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  17. Tekka

    Tekka Active Member

    I know, I'm quoting myself. How gauche. I want to make an addendum to this post for all the OF folks who come over to read, and want to take <edited for content> out of context. I'm disappointed in you.

    I do NOT take any kind of joy or satisfaction in another person's misery or discontent. HOWEVER. I do find it both amusing and entertaining when elitist, toxic bullies get a dose of cosmic justice.

    Whether it's SigDerp's ridiculous (and sometimes harmful) advice and fixes getting shot down or mocked, or Siren having to transfer her characters off the IoR server after she has and does go on about how any one who doesn't pay a sub (whether they support the game financially through the cash shop or not) deserves to be treated like second class citizens and should shut the <edited for content> up about it.

    That is all. Carry on.

    -steps down off box-
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